Any suggestions with VIA mini-ITX?

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cordel wrote:Via, SiS, and some Nvidia chipsets are known to have issues with the BT878 and like chips, so much so that in some cases, the machine will not even post with a capture card installed so this is not a driver/Library issue.
Sorry I never kept notes on what chipsets have failed, Just on what works :lol:
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https://secure.bluecherry.net/support/i ... rticleid=9

That might help...


cordel wrote:
cordel wrote:Via, SiS, and some Nvidia chipsets are known to have issues with the BT878 and like chips, so much so that in some cases, the machine will not even post with a capture card installed so this is not a driver/Library issue.
Sorry I never kept notes on what chipsets have failed, Just on what works :lol:
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linuxoid wrote:ZM is not written to utilize dual or quad core, is it? so I guess there will be little gain in using them if at all. Dual cores for a whole operating system - yes. Quad cores - not yet, can't think of any application which would run much faster on these than on dual cores.
ZM itself is not written for multi-core support per se, and more importantly the compilers used to compile it will generally not be optimised for that. However that really only makes a huge difference if you had some monolithic application that consumed a lot of CPU in which case you might have 1 CPU at 100% and the others at less (or zero!). Because ZM uses multiple processes all doing different things then some of them will be running on one CPU and some on the others so in that respect you do get an advantage.

If you have a multicore system running an SMP kernel and use 'top' to display the last processor used you should see a good spread of zm processes on each processor.
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curtishall wrote:Not to get off topic....but here we go

Was the Dell system a 'server' motherboard?
Lee Sharp wrote:Many analog capture cards have a fundamental incompatibility with non Intel chipsets. I had one Dell system refuse to post with the cards installed. So, if there is a chance of ever having a capture card installed, I will only go Intel. And since we buy many systems at a time for many purposes, it is just easier to get Intel if there is doubt. But I also have several miniATX Via systems, and they are not Intel. They also are not video servers.
Nope. A dell business class workstation. Furthermore, we ordered it with an Intel chipset. It seems Dell doesn't understand the difference between CPUs and chipsets either. ;)
linuxoid wrote:Ah, issues with chipsets not CPUs make sense. Obviously you can only have an Intel chipset with an Intel CPU. Could you please tell me what VIA and nVidia chipsets you had troubles with? I'll try to avoid them if possible. And I stay clear off AMD/ATI chipsets no matter what.
It does not happen a lot, and occasionally the board will boot and run, just have odd stability issues. I have had it on several non-intel chipsets, and Never on an Intel chipset. That is enough for me not to jack with it. It takes too much time that I can't bill for, and I have a workable solution.
linuxoid wrote:ZM is not written to utilize dual or quad core, is it? so I guess there will be little gain in using them if at all. Dual cores for a whole operating system - yes. Quad cores - not yet, can't think of any application which would run much faster on these than on dual cores.
Not directly, but it uses a lot of different components that often are. There are big gains with multi-core.
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so this is not a driver/Library issue
It's always a driver issue. you need a driver for any piece of hardware or chip. if nvidia chipset has problems with bt878 chips, it's either an nvidia nforce or bt878 driver issue.
Not if the problem prevents passing post. That is the screen before the boot menu, and before the MVR is read. In my case it would not boot the Windows on the disk, or any rescue disk I had (UBCD, UBCD4WIN, Ubuntu, Freeesbie) which eliminates drivers...
linuxoid wrote:ummm, I think I'm going off topic myself. Let's concentrate on ZM and CPU/chipset/bt878 compatibility. Do you have any other technical reasons against or in favor of any CPU or chipset in particular?
This is further off topic, but you asked... :) AMD at one time would not stand behind a defective OEM CPU. This was escalated and AMD just said "Tough." My vendor (Directron) covered it anyway. They said it happened far too often, and AMD was one of the worst. (But they also had some choice comments about a specific hard drive brand. Funny enough the other brand owned by the same company didn't have this problem...)

So, here is the deal... My goal is to maximize the money I make, and minimize the work I do. Several products have shown a tendency to increase the work I have to do at infrequent and random intervals. I do not use these products, because it is a guarantee that they will cause trouble when I can least afford it.
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Thank you, this is very informative. I think I'll just get a capture card and try it in my amd box. if it works - fine. if it doesn't, then I'll build and intel box.
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Hi, I'm back!

And great news - Zoneminder is working on my AMD box, no probs. So, if anyone is interested, I confirm that the following hardware works:

CPU AMD64X2 5200+
Mainboard Gigabyte M56S-S3 with nForce 560 chipset
Memory 2GB
Video capture card ProVideo PV-143N
Analog camera Topica TP-101CW

I managed to get a second hand video capture card and 1 camera to make it really cheap in case it didn't work. So I can't tell how it's going to work with 4 cameras but at least 1 is working. But the CPU was doing at 1800MHz while it's usually running at 1000MHz, with heavy loads it's running at 2000MHz. So even with 1 camera it stepped up a bit. I'm glad I didn't use the VIA board as I initially wanted.

BTW, do the Chinese have everything upside-down? I spent nearly an hour trying to figure out why I had no video from the camera trying all possible options, until I replugged the cable from the top to the bottom BNC connector. Hell, what I thought was channel 0 turned out to be channel 3!!! So, if you look at the card from its side, the very bottom channel is channel 0, NOT channel 3 as I thought. Hell!!! :)

Well, it's all good. Now I am ready to set it all up properly. One thing though, I've asked this before, but...

Could anyone please let me know how to set up dyndns? I've opened an account, I've set up a domain, I've got a ddns (or whatever it's called) client installed, then I tried to change various options in my adsl modem and router and managed to break my adsl connection so badly so that I had to reinstall factory default settings.

Has anyone got dyndns working? The best thing I could do was to get to my modem from internet, that is when I typed my dyndns domain it asked me for the modem admin password. Okay, but how do I get pass the modem, then pass the router to the desktop and to the Zoneminder? And then how can the dyndns can automatically update my dynamic IP? I could only do that manually. I went by their instructions and that was as far as I could get. There's a lot of stuff on firewalls, port forwarding, DMZ, filters etc. but I'm not a sysadmin, I don't know much about networks and how they work. Not yet. :shock:

Please help, without internet access the whole thing is pointless. Thank you.
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For your dyndns, just add me to your messenger and I help sort you out since it's a little outside the scope of the forum. I run all my stuff through a dynamic dns so I can help you out easy and make sure you have the right option for you.
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cordel,

You have no idea how grateful I will be if you could walk me through the setup. The only "problem" is the huge time difference between US and Australia. I'll try to catch up with you on MSN in a few days (we have a public holiday coming and I'm going away). Thanks heaps in advance. :D
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No Problem
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Post by Lee Sharp »

You have three problems.

1) Getting dyndns to resolve. It sound like this is actually done... I do it in my router, and leave the DSL in bridge mode. http://m0n0.ch However, you can run a client on Linux and it works automagically.

2) Getting passthrough on your firewall.

3) Resolving the conflict of both the firewall and the ZM server wanting port 80. You can do this by putting ZM on port 81, or by making the webserver of you router go https.

All of the above are not Zoneminder problems, however. You might try here... http://portforward.com/
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A cool option for DynDNS is No-IP.
http://www.no-ip.com/
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Also free, and many home routers support it directly, no extra client software needs to be installed on the box.
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cordel,

I got it!!! :) it was way much easier than I thought. If did I only think of that before or paid more attention. I believe port 80 is being blocked by my ISP, as soon as I forwarded LAN port 80 to WAN port 81 - everything started working honky dory! And dyndns updates my router LAN address instead of actual IP, that is there's no need to install anything as robi said. Thank you all for your help.

... and ZM has motion detection built-in. Wow! I thought I had to install it separately.

Now that all my major problems are solved, I need to configure it all. Not sure if it's a right way to continue this post or start a new one in software help?

Well, I just ask, how can I record stream or images? I tried both Record and Mocord but all images are empty, all ZM folders are empty, looks like ZM doesn't record anything. Am I doing anything wrong?
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What do the logs say?
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Post by Lee Sharp »

I would suggest a new thread in the proper forum. This title is a bit misleading for your problem. :) Start a new one with your problem in the subject, and give a lot of detail about what is wrong, and how you installed ZoneMinder.
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OK, Lee, I'll make a new thread... when I get a new camera, damn it! My Topica camera just blew up with smoke. It was working perfectly well, until yesterday, I just plugged it in exactly the same way I did a number of times before, then started ZM and there was no image, and then I heard a pop sound, then smoke. Sh*t!!! Did anyone have any problems with a Topica camera? TP-101CW in particular?
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