a bit of trouble with the gadspot 1600H

[rDr4g0n]

Hey, im a linux and zoneminder noob. im setting up a system for someone and have 1 camera currently to test before purchasing 10 more. I have one problem with this camera and i was hoping that someone could address it for me. im using zm 1.22.3 inside of ubuntu 7.10 (installed from zoneminder_1.22.3-8_i386.deb using a walkthrough from from http://www.howtoforge.com/video_surveil ... der_ubuntu )

when i set the cam to 640x480 res, it is viewable directly in the cams page, but zoneminder shows only a broken link for the image, and an fps of 0. i have set the res of the cam in zm to 640x480 and that does not resolve the problem. the cam functions normally at 320x240, but the jpg compression is just too heavy for serious usage. the zm wiki mentions the 1600h as working normally, and even mentions that the quality at 640x480 isnt that great, but that implies that whoever tested it did actually get it working.

also, since this system is gonna be running 10 cameras, you guys have any hardware recommendations? i have about a $900 budget for the pc, and ive built quite a few performance systems, but theyve always been windows machines, not linux boxes.

i apologize if i have excluded any pertinent information, so please let me know if you need to know more to assist me in resolving this issue. also, thanks for all the hard work on this software! its awesome, and if we get this thing running, were gonna donate some cash

thanks again!
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[larrylamb]

I also have one location running the Gadspot cameras. They do work, but I do not care for the image quality. I may not have it properly adjusted. That said, I use the TrendNet 201P ($165) which has the POE built-in so that you do not need the injector/converter. It also takes standard CCTV lens' so you can change the 6mm to 4mm for about $20.

[rDr4g0n]

we were seriously considering the trendnet camera for a while. perhaps it may be time to reconsider.

Can anyone offer additional help? perhaps a recommendation for the computer to run the system?
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[larrylamb]

I have about 10 installations-- most of them are running TrendNet cameras. some are the TV-IP100, most are TV-IP200 which is not made anymore. It was replaced by the 201 and now the 201P with POE. I cannot see to keep TrendNet wireless cameras on-line. I have also used some older DLink, Gadspot and and Axis. Nothing bad to say in particular about the other cameras, just that the TrendNet is a good price and the 201 allows for lens' to be swapped. These also fit in the DLink outdoor housing. The 201 is MJPEG-- not the older JPEG. With some help from the board, I have the remote directory set and the 201P works fine. I have been using the NetGear with POE switch. As for the computer itself, I always have the latest AMD 64 bit machine built with 1 GB RAM and a 500-750 GB 7200 rpm hard drive-- about $500. I use the 7.10 64-bit Ubuntu desktop, updated, with automatix added (most items loaded) and the MYSQL engine loaded. Then I use the Synaptic manager to load ZoneMinder. There is a link fix (wiki-posted) that I run also. I simply add the cameras. From raw system to 1 working camera-- it takes about 70-80 minutes. Maybe there are less expensive systems, but once a Zoneminder system is installed, I never touch it again. End of story.

[rDr4g0n]

thanks a ton for the tips. they will prove very useful in my hunt for hardware

what motherboard have you been using for your builds? i wanna be sure whichever chipset i get wont cause issues in ubuntu. like i said above, im a linux noob, and too many technical issues and ill be completely lost lol

any additional opinions are appreciated!
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[linuxsense]

Do you absolutely require IP cameras for your installation?

[rDr4g0n]

Do you absolutely require IP cameras for your installation?

the guy that began the project (before dropping it, and having me brought in) wired everything cat5, so it would be an additional expense to change to coax or rca
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[cordel]

You can actually use passive/active baluns and use regular cctv cams on CAT5.

The reason 640x480 Is not working for you is most likely due to shared memory as described in the FAQ and you would see the relevant errors in the logs. Another problem might be is if the cam is slow in responding, once again this would be be detailed in the logs.

[linuxsense]

Do you absolutely require IP cameras for your installation?

the guy that began the project (before dropping it, and having me brought in) wired everything cat5, so it would be an additional expense to change to coax or rca

I would strongly consider trying out a decent 'normal' cam with a capture card in place of the IP cameras. One thing for sure is I would not go with IP cams just because you already have CAT5 run. Cables are cheap. Plus, all things being equal, you will get a better camera for your money if it does not need to be a 'stand alone' system like the IP cameras.

[rDr4g0n]

Do you absolutely require IP cameras for your installation?

the guy that began the project (before dropping it, and having me brought in) wired everything cat5, so it would be an additional expense to change to coax or rca

I would strongly consider trying out a decent 'normal' cam with a capture card in place of the IP cameras. One thing for sure is I would not go with IP cams just because you already have CAT5 run. Cables are cheap. Plus, all things being equal, you will get a better camera for your money if it does not need to be a 'stand alone' system like the IP cameras.

if I decide to go the standard camera route, what capture hardware and cameras would you recommend? also, what additional configuration will be required in ZM and in the linux OS? im mostly linux illiterate, so the easier the better for me
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[linuxsense]

if I decide to go the standard camera route, what capture hardware and cameras would you recommend? also, what additional configuration will be required in ZM and in the linux OS? im mostly linux illiterate, so the easier the better for me

See here for some capture cards that work with ZoneMinder:

http://store.bluecherry.net/category_s/63.htm

As for cameras, it all depends on what your budget is and where they need to be located. If you are going to do a 10 camera system you will probably be best off with a mix of cameras...but it all depends on what you need. Outdoor? Night vision? Price? Wide angle? Lots of variables. Take a look at what they offer at bluecherry and you can get a pretty good idea of what you can get at different price points.

[rDr4g0n]

if I decide to go the standard camera route, what capture hardware and cameras would you recommend? also, what additional configuration will be required in ZM and in the linux OS? im mostly linux illiterate, so the easier the better for me

See here for some capture cards that work with ZoneMinder:

http://store.bluecherry.net/category_s/63.htm

As for cameras, it all depends on what your budget is and where they need to be located. If you are going to do a 10 camera system you will probably be best off with a mix of cameras...but it all depends on what you need. Outdoor? Night vision? Price? Wide angle? Lots of variables. Take a look at what they offer at bluecherry and you can get a pretty good idea of what you can get at different price points.

thanks for the link. ill check it out and im sure ill be back with more questions lol im gonna need 10 cameras, all outdoor. only 1 or 2 wide angle. night vision is not necessary. the price i had initially budgeted for IP cams was $250ish per cam

as for the configging side of things, will there be much more to do with the additional hardware?
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[linuxsense]

thanks for the link. ill check it out and im sure ill be back with more questions lol im gonna need 10 cameras, all outdoor. only 1 or 2 wide angle. night vision is not necessary. the price i had initially budgeted for IP cams was $250ish per cam

as for the configging side of things, will there be much more to do with the additional hardware?

If you have a budget of $250 per cam I think you are looking good. A $250 'normal' cam is going to whip a $250 IP cam in image quality. Plus, you can do real time recording with a decent capture card, which AFAIK most IP cams cant do...especially not 10 at once...would need a monster CPU.

As for the config, its pretty much cake. Plug in card and cams, power it up, and go into ZM's interface to add your monitors. With some of the cards you may need to adjust a few things, but it should be trivial since most issues are known and pretty well documented. If you hit a snag just ask here and someone should be able to help you out.

[rDr4g0n]

thanks for the link. ill check it out and im sure ill be back with more questions lol im gonna need 10 cameras, all outdoor. only 1 or 2 wide angle. night vision is not necessary. the price i had initially budgeted for IP cams was $250ish per cam

as for the configging side of things, will there be much more to do with the additional hardware?

If you have a budget of $250 per cam I think you are looking good. A $250 'normal' cam is going to whip a $250 IP cam in image quality. Plus, you can do real time recording with a decent capture card, which AFAIK most IP cams cant do...especially not 10 at once...would need a monster CPU.

As for the config, its pretty much cake. Plug in card and cams, power it up, and go into ZM's interface to add your monitors. With some of the cards you may need to adjust a few things, but it should be trivial since most issues are known and pretty well documented. If you hit a snag just ask here and someone should be able to help you out.

cool beans. thanks a ton for the help, this is an awesome community. makes me wanna learn more linux just to meet more linux geeks lol
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[rDr4g0n]

two more questions!!!

ive been checkin out bluecherry.net, great site. i need to choose a camera and capture hardware.

my question about capture hardware is if its easy enough to set up (2) 8 port capture cards instead of (1) 16 port card. the 8 port cards get 15fps per port, and the 16 port card gets 7.5fps per port. obviously 15 will look better.

my camera question is what is the difference between teh analog "bullet" cameras, and getting a regular ol box camera and outdoor housing?

thanks for your patience with me on this! i hope to get things finalized soon!
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